Rip.
Pack One:
95 Kyle Wright RC
28 Glenn Dorsey RC
212 Funkmaster Flex SP
179 Anthony Gonzalez mini
201 Trent Edwards
182 Shawne Merriman


197 Gus Frerotte
261 Paul Gauguin
258 Dallas Clark
123 JP Losman Princeton Mini
SB38-A New England Patriots
162 Matt Schaub
151 Leon Washington


79 Archie Manning
131 John Elway
244 Justin Gage
263 Chris Chambers SP
105 Sterling Sharpe mini
138 Ahmad Bradshaw


20 Reggie Brown
234 DJ Williams
294 Reggie Wayne
273 AJ Hawk Mini
SB40-A Pittsburgh Steelers
189 Brian Westbrook
207 Antonio Cromartie


32 Roydell Williams
48 Marty Booker
314 Kurt Warner SP
98 Troy Smith Mini
227 Derek Anderson
64 Dwight Freeney


213 Keenan Burton
147 Colt Brennan RC
280 Thomas Jones
164 Ronnie Brown mini
SB42-C New England Patriots
76 Muhsin Muhammad
101 Jerry Porter


96 Malcom Kelly RC
41 Tashard Choice RC
266 Brady Quinn
288 Tony Romo SP
165 Bobby Engram Mini
119 James Harrison


321 Santana Moss
253 JaMarcus Russell
240 Kyle Boller
H-11 Chincoteague Pony
SB39-c Philadelphia Eagles
143 Demarcus Ware
164 Ronnie Brown


36/275 Base cards (13.1%)
4/55 Short Prints (Funkmaster, Chambers, Warner, Romo) 1:2 (7.3%)
0 Doubles
1 Damaged (Quinn)
Mini cards:
6 base
0 SP 1:12
0 Yale Parallel 1:17
1 Princeton Parallel (Losman) 1:24
0 Harvard Parallel 1:66
0 Ships 1:12
1 Horse (Chincoteague Pony) 1:48
4 Super Bowl inserts 1:2
0 Autogamers
Well, the best card in the box was a horse and I don't even like John Elway. (ba-dum-ching!) I want to like this set. I mean I really want to like this set. There's an authentic retro design, mini cards, famous ships, framed relics and autos, mini back parallels... It's just my kind of set. But I don't like the set. Topps killed it through sheer incompetence. The bogus sell sheet sent prices through the roof, then they pulled a bait and switch with the final checklist. The 55 short prints was the last straw for me though. Allen & Ginter has pretty much a perfect base set to short print ratio. 300 base, 50 short prints, one in two packs. It makes the set challenging, but not impossible. Now, since this is a football set I didn't expect there to be 350 cards in there. 300 is really pushing it for a football set that isn't a base brand like Topps or Score. There just aren't that many star players in the NFL. With the Legends players, celebrities and old timers in the set, 330 was doable. A 290/40 ratio would have been good and would have been close to the A&G makeup. 55 short prints is just not right for this set. Oh, but Dayf, it's just 15 more short prints, what's the big deal?
Ok. Short prints are found one in two packs. A set with 40 short prints means with perfect collation you need 80 packs to pull 'em all. There has not ever been, nor will there ever be perfect collation on God's green earth. So let's boost that up 50% to 120 packs. We're looking at 5 boxes here, but you will definitely have at least 95% of the short set if not a full set and then some and a good chunk of the short prints with plenty to trade. Ok, now let's add those 15 extra short prints. 80 packs is now 110. 50% more is now 165. Now we're at about 7 boxes, we've probably got a couple of the short sets put together and if we're lucky we have about 75-85% of the short prints with a big ol' pile to trade. Now let's get a-tradin'. Oh, wait a minute...
WHO IN THE SAM HILL IS GOING TO BE BUILDING THIS SET?!?
Allen & Ginter is a great set for trading, because everybody and their mother collects it and it's easy to swap doubles. Who's collecting Mayo football? The case breakers have already burned all their base cards because they were promised two autos a box and got two autos in a case. Actual football card collectors just want their favorite players and don't want to chase down a needlessly difficult set. The retro set building crowd is distracted by the new 2009 products and is already frothing at the mouth for Heritage baseball to come out. So who is collecting this set? This overpriced, half assed, needlessly difficult bait and switch set?
NOBODY!
Nobody* is collecting this set except the most hardcore retro card set builders who happen to have very deep pockets and don't mind that the hits in the product are mostly garbage. That is not a very large subset of collectors, folks. So even if you do pony up for half a case of this who are you going to trade all those doubles to? Nobody. You're eating those doubles. If you like the set, buy it ready built online and help out a case breaker who is still looking frantically for that Joe Paterno card that will help him pay off the credit card he put that case on after seeing that Topps promo video with the Charlie Sheen card on it.
I wanted to like this set. I really really wanted to like this stupid set. It could have been such a good set. But Topps muffed it. And now it's a bad set and I'm sad. I'm sad because this set now has no future. I'm sad because Topps utterly screwed the pooch. I'm sad just like pixelated Paul Gauguin.

*well, nobody except Matt. But that's all! Probably!
11 comments:
I don't know that the sets are at all comparable, but I like UD Masterpieces Football much better.
I cannot like that Dorsey card in principle since he was a star at LSU. I can like the card as an amateur photographer for the use of light on the subject matter.
First star card was Elway? Are you forgetting Archie? What the???!!?!1
I almost spewed my morning drink on the keyboard as I read about the best card being a Horse QB. Funny stuff.
Don't speak of fight club and never ever mention NFL and PED's ever, I mean ever. Nothing there, move on baseball had a PED problem, not fight club...err I mean the NFL.....look Barry Bonds is huge look at his head....btw does that mean that Bruce Bochey used PED's?..... pay no attention to the 400 lb 18 year old who runs 4.9 40. It's all baseball I say.
Since you spoke the NFL will never allow you a good pack of football cards again!
I think that I would have liked this set better if the comedians were still in it. I was looking forward to cards of Rogen and Cross. The authors and aviators I could care less about especially since we've already seen some similar cards in A&G.
I picked up a blaster at Target on Monday and did alright. I got a Boldin jersey card and a Harvard mini rookie. The jersey cards look sharp. I also got a horse and a ship.
If you don't want those Patriots cards...
Archie Manning looks a lot like his 1973 Topps card.
I'd like to see Warner in the HOF, but the middle of his career was too reminiscent of Mike Livingston. However, the beginning and current parts are HOF-worthy if he can add more to his resume. There are very few with his talent, poise and leadership.
In terms of Merriman, before he tested positive, he had been tested 19 times before and was clean, and has been tested since and is clean. From what I understand (and I know this could be crap) he took another product was designed to speed up recovery (which in itself should have rung alarm bells, because this is what steroids help to do) without being aware of the steroids in it. Again, this may be crap, but the fact that he had previously been tested and was clean indicates this may be true. The NFL seemed to verify this when they came out and said that out of the 20 drug tests he had had since entering the league, he had only tested positive once.
You must also remember that Merriman is not the biggest or even one of the biggest names in the NFL, as opposed to Rodriguez, and that is why there has been different media scrutiny.
In defense of the Chincoteague pony, we've seen the wild ponies and read Misty of Chincoteague, and the appearance of this card in a pack could possibly be defended, from certain points of view, as spectacular.
I bought three packs of this today and pulled myself a Funkmaster Flex...plus a mini of Charles Darwin's ship The Beagle...I hope to get a post about it up shortly...
The more I collect, the more I realize I'm just out of step with most card bloggers...I enjoyed Upper Deck X, I'm giving this set a try...I'm a card company marketing person's dream.
Hey Dayf....need the horse!! Trying to get the set
This Mayo set does nothing for me.
But that's true for most modern sets. I'll stick with A&G and Goudey ... but thanks for the pictures and info otherwise I might have tried a pack.
Hey got a ?? here, have any of you figured out how to put the mini's in a protective page? Ive searched the web order to no avail and thought I'd ask here. Thanks
lenn@twcny.rr.com
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