
Pack 1
22 Kosuke Fukudome RC
43 Chin Lung-Hu RC
83 Ozzie Smith
55 Johan Santana

Pack 2
2 Justin Upton
79 Russell Martin
48 Ryan Braun
69 Chase Utley

Pack 3
85 Chris Carpenter
71 Ryan Howard
41 Vladimir Guerrero
27 Victor Martinez

Pack 4
64 Joba Chamberlain
50 Joe Mauer
YSL3881 Thurman Munson
20 Carlos Zambrano
6 Mark Teixeira

Pack 5
75 Tony Gwynn
47 Prince Fielder
60 Whitey Ford
39 Roy Oswalt

Pack 6
68 Rich Harden
105 Tom Seaver SP
81 Ichiro
67 Eric Chavez

Pack 7
54 David Wright
40 Alex Gordon
YSL3906 Sparky Lyle
53 Carlos Beltran
88 Frank Thomas

Pack 8
26 Grady Sizemore
16 Jonathan Papelbon
90 Ryan Zimmerman
76 Greg Maddux

Final tally:
31/90 base cards (34%)
1/30 SP (3%)
2 acceptible '70s Yankee Nostalgias
Good box. Just over one third of the common set (awesome) only one measly short print (teh suck) and no inserts other than the Yankees (boring). Since this product is all about the set, getting a huge chunk of the non-short print base cards is nice. Upper Deck dropped the ball on the short print odds though. Hear me out on this as I go over the math:
Last year there was a 90 card set with no short prints. I bought three blasters, got about 70% of the set and filled it out with singles bought at the card shop. So my baseline for buying blasters of this stuff is 3.
This year I'm going after the set again and I plan to rip blasters to do it. So three more blasters, maybe even a fourth since trading partners love my doubles from this set. Ah, but now there are short prints! That's thirty extra cards to chase. Let's look at a few short print insert ratios to see how that would affect my buying extra blasters.
One short print in every pack: After 4 blasters, I'd have 32 short prints and probably about 15-20 out of the short print set with doubles. I'd risk buying a couple more blasters before I quit due to the huge pile of doubles on my desk. 1:1 ratio = 2 extra blasters.
One short print in every other pack: AKA hobby pack ratio. After 4 blasters, I'd have 16 short prints and probably 8-12 singles. The base set would be close to completion, and with 4 SP's per box you're looking at decent value there. I'd get at least two more to finish up my common set and then would be very temped to buy a couple more for the short prints. If you think it's stupid to buy a blaster just for short prints, I've already done it with A&G this year. 1:2 ratio = 4 extra blasters.
One short print in every fourth pack: After 4 blasters, I'd have 8 short prints. If I remember correctly, this was the ratio for '07 Turkey Red (or was that 1:6?). With good luck I'd have 8/30 short prints. With bad luck I might only have 4 or 5. I might get another blaster hoping to get lucky, but I could end up satisfied with a complete common set and a page of SPs. 1:4 ratio = 1 extra blaster.
One short print in every eighth pack: AKA the actual odds. After 4 blasters, I'd have 4 short prints and most of the set. If I buy a 5th blaster then I would have 5 short prints. One sixth of the short print set if I was lucky enough not to pull a dupe. To finish the SP set, I'd need to buy TWENTY-FIVE more blasters with perfect collation. No. Not gonna happen. Not worth buying any extra blasters either after the common set is complete either. So basically, if my 4 blasters gets me close to the base set, I can trade the dupes for the cards I need and spent that extra blaster money on a nice box of Topps Heritage Update. No more sales for UD even with short prints. 1:8 ratio = unsold blasters rotting on the shelf just like last year.
The point to all this is that there is a certain ratio of base cards to short prints that cause set builders to buy lots of extra boxes of cards and Upper Deck blew it with '08 Masterpieces. A 1:2 or even 1:3 ratio would have made the short prints obtainable enough to make me want to chase the full set. One per box, maybe? Nah. I'll put this year's 90 card set next to last year's 90 card set and treat the SP's as a non-essential insert. It's a shame too, because like the A&G set, I want to buy these cards. I like to rip these packs. but spending a bare minimum of $600 on blasters chasing those short prints is dumb and is not going to happen.
What is that? Just buy Hobby you say? Well the math for that isn't much better. $75 a box with 6 short prints per box adds up to $375 for 30 short prints. Ah, but you get a bunch of framed cards and an auto and gamer per box as well! Yeah, but I'm not collecting those, I'm collecting the set. One hobby box gets me less than half the base set for $75 and here's some actual proof courtesy of Chris Harris. 4 blasters gets me 120 base cards which should be enough to fill out most of the set. I might even get lucky and pull a jersey or something. So that's $80 in blasters for most of the set, 4 SPs and maybe an insert, versus $75 for half the set, 6 SPs (5 in Chris' case) a handful of framed parallels and two 'hits'. To even have a shot at completing the set through hobby wax I need to drop $75 on a second box. For what? For the hits? Let's say You spend $150 on two Hobby boxes of Masterpieces and I buy four blasters and spend the rest of my $150 picking up inserts on eBay. How many '08 UD Masterpieces parallels, relics and autos do think I could snag off of eBay for $70? A hell of a lot more than you'll pull out of those two Hobby boxes, I'll guarantee that. I might even be able to get an auto patch dirt cheap and blow your boxes completely out of the water.
So why not just buy a complete set off of eBay if that's all you want then, smarty maths? Well, 'cause it is actually fun to rip wax and build a set by hand. I'm just saying that once again, Upper Deck dropped the ball and undercut their hobby wax on this product, just like they did last year. Great looking set though, and I'll be buying more of it soon assuming the economy is not in a full blown depression by the next time I have to go to the store. Assuming the store is even open.
11 comments:
The difference in hobby and blasters really sucks for someone like me. I live in a small town hours from a card shop. The only place I have to buy cards is my local Wal Mart or a convenience store. So it is blasters or nothing for me. Why bother making two different packages and two different odds. Seems like card Upper Deck and Topps could save some of thier own money by only packaging one way. maybe they could spend more money that way on autos, or god forbid make packs a little cheeper. The hobby needs some youth. Topps and Upper Deck are not going to get any more kids to collect cards if the packs are all $3 minimum.
Short prints, ratios, blasters, hobby boxes ... all that went out the window when I saw the Russell Martin card. If I get just that one card, I'll be happy with '08 Masterpieces.
I really like that Tom Seaver card! Do you know if they ahve an autographed version of that card?
If not, might have to send that one through the mail.
Umm, if you are spending close to 80 dollars to have the possibility of building a set, why not just go buy the set on ebay? It would save you time and money.
I dont get breaking crap blasters to build a set when it is cheaper just to buy it. Thats like throwing money away for no reason.
Sorry to leave three in a row here, but with more looking around, I could complete the entire set w/ sp's for 30 dollars. If I really monitored things.
There are three more like this.
I'm just drooling over the Ozzie card. Well, not literally. That would be gross. I'm glad they continue to make Ozzie Smith cards. Maybe they look better in person, but something seems off about the look of this year's cards versus last year's.
Real collectors don't buy hand-collated sets of current year product.
Gellman, as he mentioned in his post -- it's fun to rip packs and build the set. There's no fun, no effort, no sense of accomplishment in just buying the complete set.
As for 08 UDM, I absolutely loathe the addition of SPs, the ridiculous insertion rate, and the increase in hobby box/pack price. You want to talk about squeezing the consumer? UD is guilty on all counts.
Real collectors? I dont even know where to start with that one.
How about some better terminology? Like "Set Builders dont buy hand collated sets of their products" or whatever. For you to establish yourself as a real collector because you waste your money on inferior retail products, is beyond ludicrious.
having aspired to complete sets since my vintage childhood, i see no other valid logic to pack collation than the old school one sp / insert card per pack of the one sp / insert set available in a particular series. i just wish one manufacturer could see the wisdom in maintaining this tradition.
as a rational, economy-minded human, i can appreciate gellman's perspective. as a set bulider, i can see beyond it. therein we encounter the almost zen-like suchness (or anti-logic) that exists at the heart of set building.
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